# New SEPP Calculation Amt. Financial Advisor vs. Calculator

L1: New SEPP Calculation Amt. Financial Advisor vs. CalculatorHI we just started investigating taking my IRA distribution early and ran some numbers here, and called a Financial advisor who I don’t know or work with and got different results. Here’s the info:

DOB: 11/18/1960 Beneficiary DOB:4/30/1954

IRA Amt: 254,000

Date of Dist Start would be ASAP

The advisor said I could get $11,508 / yr.

The calcs said $8929 Amortized, $8784 Annuitized.

Where is the difference coming from?

Thanks!2015-06-08 17:25, By: donnandon, IP: [70.195.140.2]

L2: New SEPP Calculation Amt. Financial Advisor vs. CalculatorFirst, don’t use the joint calculations.

Single life always produces a higher number. Based on Age 55, $254,000, an interest are of 2.04% and a start date of 6/18/12015… I get an amortization distribution of $11,515.70

Since I don’t know what assumptions your “financial advisor” used, I can’t comment on any difference.

SEPP Plan Assumptions

Owner Born

11/18/1960

Plan Age

55

Total IRA Accounts

$254,000.00

SEPP Plan Account

$254,000.00

SEPP Interest Rate

2.04%

Investment Interest Rate

4.00%

1st Distribution Date

6/18/2015

Date Age 59.5

5/18/2020

5 Year Date

6/18/2020

1st Modification Date

6/19/2020

Minimum Distribution Method

Distribution Factor

29.600

Initial SEPP Payment

$8,581.08

Amortization Method

Distribution Factor

22.057

SEPP Payment

$11,515.70

Annuity Method

Distribution Factor

22.171

SEPP Payment

$11,456.41

Assuming the 5-Year rule, when can SEPP payments be modified?The five year period begins with the date of the first distribution [6/18/2015] and ends on the last day of the fifth year [6/18/2020]. During this five year period, the total SEPP withdrawals should be equal to five (5) times the Planned Annual Distribution. The dates covering the 5-Year period…

Year: 06/18/2015 – 12/31/2015Year: 01/01/2016 – 12/31/2016Year: 01/01/2017 – 12/31/2017Year: 01/01/2018 – 12/31/2018Year: 01/01/2019 – 12/31/2019Year: 01/01/2020 – 06/18/2020

2015-06-08 19:46, By: Gfw, IP: [205.178.65.222]

L3: New SEPP Calculation Amt. Financial Advisor vs. CalculatorThanks! Your number is what the advisor had within a few dollars. Not sure what I did wrong with the calcilator. Do I need to use the exact number per year or can I use s lower number to avoid irs issues? Also, how could I do it to get monthly payments? Thanks!

P.s. could I take the full year distributio now and the go to monthly oayments next year at this time?2015-06-08 21:43, By: donnandon, IP: [67.241.178.136]

L4: New SEPP Calculation Amt. Financial Advisor vs. CalculatorYou should use the exact annual amount or if you choose to take monthly payments, divide the annual amount by 12. Taking out less is just as likely to bust the plan as taking out more, so use the exact amount.

You can change the distribution pattern anytime during the year or from year to year. Just be sure that the annual amount is correct when making these changes. For 2015, you have the option to take out the full annual distribution or pro rate by the month starting with the month of the first distribution. So yes, you can take a full annual distribution now and then switch to monthly distributions in 2016. When doing so set up the monthly distribution no later than mid month so you have time to correct any errors in December.

2015-06-09 03:08, By: Alan S, IP: [160.3.74.179]

L5: New SEPP Calculation Amt. Financial Advisor vs. CalculatorHe can take out a lesser amt. as long as he takes the same amt. every year. He would just be using an interest rate lower than the 120% maximum?

2015-06-27 12:21, By: dumbfarmer, IP: [75.88.94.211]

L6: New SEPP Calculation Amt. Financial Advisor vs. CalculatorNo, bad advice. He can not just take out less than the calculated amount. You need to be able to justify the amount of the distribution. What interest rate would he use?

Anyone with a SEPP should keep a copy of the calculations with the assumptions used as it would be the first thing the IRS will ask to see if audited or questioned. 2015-06-27 12:33, By: Gfw, IP: [205.178.65.222]

L7: New SEPP Calculation Amt. Financial Advisor vs. CalculatorNow I am confused. I thought you could use any interest rate up to 120%. As an example:

A 54 year old person has 500,000 as acct. balance and 120% rate is 2.10%. Withdrawal at 2.10% is $22,366 but they want to withdrawal an even $22,000 each year. Can’t they use a interest rate of 1.9812% to get to the 22k number.2015-07-05 16:06, By: dumbfarmer, IP: [134.82.40.20]

L8: New SEPP Calculation Amt. Financial Advisor vs. CalculatorYou can, but you must know exactly what rate that you will be using.

You specify the rate and do the calculations – at that point you are locked in – you can’t just say I used a rate below the 120% published rate.

Just stating any rate isn’t correct and is really bad advice – you better be able to have the exact rate that produced the calculation amounts if you ever get audited.

Part 2…

As a general rule, rather than using a lower interest rate, always use the maximum rate for the calculations.

If it produces an amount higher than desired, use the reverse calculator, enter the desired amount and move the balance to a separate IRA for emergencies or maybe even another SEPP at a later date.

A lot more flexibility and no trying to guess at a 5 or 6 decimal point interest rate. 2015-07-05 17:19, By: Gfw, IP: [205.178.65.222]